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Since: Oct 20, 2007 Posts: 20
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:59 am
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Hi,
I am not a regular reader of this group, but I wanted to tell a
story. I was walking my dog this evening (on a leash), an Amerian
Eskimo standard 20lbs (9 kilos), when a loose Pit attacked. I quick
picked up my dog and the pit left, I put him back down and it ran back
and I tried to get my dog back up but I couldn't, so I lifted the
leash straight up and his Collar broke. The Pit attacked and
immediately went for my dogs neck. The Pitt was completely on top of
my dog and put his mouth on his neck. I kicked the dog and beat him
with the leash and a passer by hit him with a metal trash can and he
got off and my dog got away, almost getting hit by a car in the chase.
Another second or 2 and my dog would have been dead. My dog is like
one of the familly. I love h im every bit as much as you love your
pit. I cried when I got home (I havn't cried in years) because I
thought he was hurt (he ran home (but wasn't running right) and got
there before I did, he was shaking on my porch bench). Loosing my dog
would be like loosing a familly member. He does appear to be ok now,
he was just really shaken up.
Pit Bulls need to be at minimum, baned from cities, probably suburbs
as well and just be country/farm dogs where the only people and
animals they can attack and kill is their owners and their owners
other pets. Pit Bull lovers stress how important it is to raise these
things in the right environment, but people just aren't doing that.
The reality is, people get the dogs, don't socialize them, mistreat
them, walk them off the leash etc, etc and most of the time, it's
someone else who pays the price, not the dog owner (sometimes it's the
owner or the owners familly, but most of the time it's a neighbor or
neighbors animal). Pit Bulls are too strong and too capable of
killing to be in a city where you have thousands of people in a square
mile, like philadelphia (where this happened). Had this been any
other dog I would have jumped on it and pulled it off my dog, but I
didn't want to loose an arm in the process.
You can't understand how I feel until this happens to you or
someone you love. I always thought Pits were a bit much, but never
thought about it past that, but now that I am a victim (and damn near
the death of my dog) because of other people not raising their dog
right I can see it from a prospective that you can not.
Dogs living in the city/suburbs need to be relocated or killed. That
is the only realistic option. The city can not possibly go out and
inspect every Pit Bull home and be sure that it is being raised
properly and remove the ones that are not. And it's unfair to give
every one the benifit of the doubt and just wait until the dogs kills
someone or some pet before removing/killing. I do believe that every
familly needs to be given the opportunity to relocate their pets, but
within a reasonable time, say 30-60 days. You can always move to the
country if your Pit means that much to you. But in the end, these
dogs are killers and need to be away from people and pets. People
should have the right to own a dog that might turn on them or their
children or other pets, but the general public shouldn't have to share
the risk.
Chris
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
and thats to laugh and smile and dance and sing!
If life seems jolly rotten
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:11 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:07 pm
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"elegy" wrote in message
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:59:53 -0400, Chris
> wrote:
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>>Hi,
>>
>> I am not a regular reader of this group, but I wanted to tell a
>>story. I was walking my dog this evening (on a leash), an Amerian
>>Eskimo standard 20lbs (9 kilos), when a loose Pit attacked. I quick
>
> would you be writing this if the dog had not been a pit bull? maybe
> you would, i don't know.
>
> i completely empathize with what you just went through. i had my dog
> attacked a year or so ago by an offleash dog who was bigger than my
> dog. it was horribly scary, and my dog has not been the same since. he
> wasn't hurt badly, but he did go on antibiotics to prevent infection
> from the bite wounds on his face and neck. he's still extremely
> reactive toward dogs who approach him when he's on a leash, even if
> the dogs are friendly.
>
> i called the cops and reported the owners.
>
> recently i've had a number of run-ins with off-leash dogs, though
> thankfully none have come to anything. i've started carrying pepper
> spray with me. i haven't had occasion to use it, though, thank
> goodness.
>
> it's an owner problem, plain and simple. if they weren't pit bulls,
> they'd be some other breed.
One reason PBTs are a special problem is that many people who want them,
buy them, and thus encourage their breeding, are attracted to their worst
characteristics, so that is the way many of the breed behave. This is
probably both genetic and environmental. A generalized ban or even
draconian restrictions on a particular breed is unfair, and difficult to
enforce because it is not always possible to determine the breed,
especially in PBT mixes.
It would probably be not too burdensome to require owners of breeds that
are known to be powerful enough to cause severe damage, to obtain some sort
of temperamant testing, and pay a license fee accordingly. If there is not
enough money in Animal Control, then fees should be adjusted so they pay
for a fair share of the program. In Baltimore County I pay only $5 for my
dog. Considering that a dog will cost its owner several hundred dollars a
year for food and vet care, a license fee of perhaps $50 would be
reasonable. There could be generous discounts for elderly, fixed income,
etc, and also other factors, as I had proposed in my Online Dog License
Application discussed in my post of 8/28/07. Some will contend that higher
license fees will result in less compliance, but a tenfold increase in fees
might cause only a 50% decrease in compliance, and it might get some
dangerous dogs out of the hands of irresponsible people. Also, having an
unlicensed dog off ones own property, especially if it attacks or threatens
another dog or person, should be made a felony, the same as if someone uses
a firearm, motor vehicle, or other deadly weapon, irresponsibly.
But the reality is that there will still be incidents like this, and each
of us must take measures to provide protection for ourselves and our dogs.
This might involve pepper spray, tasers, carry permits, or walking with a
big stick and knowing how to use it.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:22 pm
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:11:47 -0400, elegy
wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:59:53 -0400, Chris
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>> I am not a regular reader of this group, but I wanted to tell a
>>story. I was walking my dog this evening (on a leash), an Amerian
>>Eskimo standard 20lbs (9 kilos), when a loose Pit attacked. I quick
>
>would you be writing this if the dog had not been a pit bull? maybe
>you would, i don't know.
>
>i completely empathize with what you just went through. i had my dog
>attacked a year or so ago by an offleash dog who was bigger than my
>dog. it was horribly scary, and my dog has not been the same since. he
>wasn't hurt badly, but he did go on antibiotics to prevent infection
>from the bite wounds on his face and neck. he's still extremely
>reactive toward dogs who approach him when he's on a leash, even if
>the dogs are friendly.
>
>i called the cops and reported the owners.
>
>recently i've had a number of run-ins with off-leash dogs, though
>thankfully none have come to anything. i've started carrying pepper
>spray with me. i haven't had occasion to use it, though, thank
>goodness.
>
>it's an owner problem, plain and simple. if they weren't pit bulls,
>they'd be some other breed.
Since you know how I feel, think about this. The law won't help, the
pepper spray will likely get you into a fight that could end you up in
jail if you spray an unleashed dog, one the owner arrives and see's
that you have peppered his dog. (by the way, check your local laws
because you may need a license to carry pepper spray and you can be
charged for using it even in dire self defense. You do need a license
in PA) So what are you supposed to do? I realize that any dog can
attack, it's just that Pit Bulls are SO strong and there jaws are even
stronger and lock closed with hundreds or thousands of pounds of
pressure. Definately enough to crush your bone.
Chris
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:32 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:05 pm
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"Chris" wrote in message
> Hi,
>
> I am not a regular reader of this group, but I wanted to tell a
> story. I was walking my dog this evening (on a leash), an Amerian
> Eskimo standard 20lbs (9 kilos), when a loose Pit attacked. I quick
> picked up my dog and the pit left, I put him back down and it ran back
> and I tried to get my dog back up but I couldn't, so I lifted the
> leash straight up and his Collar broke. The Pit attacked and
> immediately went for my dogs neck. The Pitt was completely on top of
> my dog and put his mouth on his neck. I kicked the dog and beat him
> with the leash and a passer by hit him with a metal trash can and he
> got off and my dog got away, almost getting hit by a car in the chase.
> Another second or 2 and my dog would have been dead. My dog is like
> one of the familly. I love h im every bit as much as you love your
> pit. I cried when I got home (I havn't cried in years) because I
> thought he was hurt (he ran home (but wasn't running right) and got
> there before I did, he was shaking on my porch bench). Loosing my dog
> would be like loosing a familly member. He does appear to be ok now,
> he was just really shaken up.
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It's amazing that your dog was not hurt. Maybe his hair protected him.
When something like that happens, it shakes everyone up; it's terrifying.
I am glad your dog was not hurt. Do you have a leash law where you live?
If you have a leash law, I would report the loose dog and the attack to the
police. Do you know which house the dog came from, if so, why don't you let
the owner know what his dog did to your dog. If you live in an area where
you have dogs like that running loose, I would definitely carry something
with me. Get a permit to carry pepper spray; you don't want that to happen
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:04 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:06 pm
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On Oct 21, 9:29 pm, Terri wrote:
> Chris wrote innews:ddgnh3hghd76c3ubdjlmv4ha9hf8pk6954@4ax.com:it's just that Pit Bulls
> are SO strong and there jaws are even
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> > stronger and lock closed with hundreds or thousands of pounds of
> > pressure. Definately enough to crush your bone.
>
> The solution here to me is obvious then:
> Never go out without the key to unlock the Pit Bull's jaws.
I carry mine on the chain that has my dog tags on it. That way the
coroner can unlock his jaw and identify my body when he turns on and
kills me. Everyone knows that is just a matter of time.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:07 pm
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On Oct 21, 11:59 am, Chris wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not a regular reader of this group, but I wanted to tell a
> story. I was walking my dog this evening (on a leash), an Amerian
> Eskimo standard 20lbs (9 kilos), when a loose Pit attacked. I quick
> picked up my dog and the pit left, I put him back down and it ran back
> and I tried to get my dog back up but I couldn't, so I lifted the
> leash straight up and his Collar broke. The Pit attacked and
> immediately went for my dogs neck. The Pitt was completely on top of
> my dog and put his mouth on his neck. I kicked the dog and beat him
> with the leash and a passer by hit him with a metal trash can and he
> got off and my dog got away, almost getting hit by a car in the chase.
> Another second or 2 and my dog would have been dead. My dog is like
> one of the familly. I love h im every bit as much as you love your
> pit. I cried when I got home (I havn't cried in years) because I
> thought he was hurt (he ran home (but wasn't running right) and got
> there before I did, he was shaking on my porch bench). Loosing my dog
> would be like loosing a familly member. He does appear to be ok now,
> he was just really shaken up.
>
I'm sorry you had to go through that. It is the fault of a poor
owner. But now I am afraid I am going to have to play devil's
advocate.
> Pit Bulls need to be at minimum, baned from cities, probably suburbs
> as well and just be country/farm dogs where the only people and
> animals they can attack and kill is their owners and their owners
> other pets.
If living in the country makes you safe from loose dangerous dogs,
maybe you should move there yourself. Otherwise you will just
encounter a loose dangerous dog in the city of a different breed once
you ban pit bulls.
> Pit Bull lovers stress how important it is to raise these
> things in the right environment, but people just aren't doing that.
> The reality is, people get the dogs, don't socialize them, mistreat
> them, walk them off the leash etc, etc and most of the time, it's
> someone else who pays the price, not the dog owner (sometimes it's the
> owner or the owners familly, but most of the time it's a neighbor or
> neighbors animal).
People do all of that with ANY breed of dog. Statistically, dog bites
involve either a close friend or a member of the family the MAJORITY
of the time. Now dog on dog attacks are another story, but it is one
with absolutely no remotely accurate statistics to speak of, so trying
to determine who suffers the most is pure conjecture.
> Pit Bulls are too strong and too capable of
> killing to be in a city where you have thousands of people in a square
> mile, like philadelphia (where this happened). Had this been any
> other dog I would have jumped on it and pulled it off my dog, but I
> didn't want to loose an arm in the process.
Pit bulls bleed, just like any other dog. Proper knowledge of canine
anatomy and a legally sized pocket knife with a single handed
operation is more than enough to aid in dispatching a dog of any breed
if the need arises. My dog is a part of my family, the canine part.
If he is ever attacked(some have thought about it, but backed down
when he challenged them, thankfully), I will more than gladly risk
injury to myself to eliminate the threat to him. Yoda puts on a good
show when he feels threatened by another large dog, and he could
probably handle his own, but I wouldn't want him to. I'd rather the
blood be on my hands, that way there is no shadow of doubt about my
dog killing the other dog.
> You can't understand how I feel until this happens to you or
> someone you love. I always thought Pits were a bit much, but never
> thought about it past that, but now that I am a victim (and damn near
> the death of my dog) because of other people not raising their dog
> right I can see it from a prospective that you can not.
Interesting, seeing that I had a cairn terrier killed by another dog
(well, she was too old and had too many problems to warrant the
anesthesia required to attempt to repair the damage to her jugular
vein which had been grazed). I don't feel the same way you do
though. It's the owner's fault, not the breed's.
>
> Dogs living in the city/suburbs need to be relocated or killed. That
> is the only realistic option. The city can not possibly go out and
> inspect every Pit Bull home and be sure that it is being raised
> properly and remove the ones that are not. And it's unfair to give
> every one the benifit of the doubt and just wait until the dogs kills
> someone or some pet before removing/killing.
Prove that a dog of any specific breed is guaranteed to be involved in
an attack. You can't because the majority of them DO NOT, that is why
they give them the benefit of the doubt.
> I do believe that every
> familly needs to be given the opportunity to relocate their pets, but
> within a reasonable time, say 30-60 days. You can always move to the
> country if your Pit means that much to you.
Have you ever tried to move in 30-60 days? Most likely your house
will not sell if you have a house, and then you are stuck trying to
get a second mortgage without a down payment, in the current housing
market. It isn't fair to expect that of anyone, as it is not possible
to pull it off unless you are extremely lucky.
> But in the end, these
> dogs are killers and need to be away from people and pets. People
> should have the right to own a dog that might turn on them or their
> children or other pets, but the general public shouldn't have to share
> the risk.
If you feel it is so risky, move to the country where according to
you, you are safe from loose dangerous dogs. Better yet, try and move
there in the next 30-60 days.
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If you have a dangerous dog in the community, that is unleashed or not in fenced area, I suggest you report it to the proper authorities.
A couple of years ago, my mother was attacked by two pit bulls in her neighborhood. My mom has MS and it is incredibly fortunate she was able to make it back into her house without being seriously injured.
We reported the incident and informed the owner (who honestly didn't really care), however there was more bad news. It wasn't until after the animals had attacked and killed another dog in the neighborhood that action was finally taken.
Still, best to report it and perhaps speak to the owner.
__________
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On Mar 30, 9:43 pm, Brian K wrote:
> Pits were raised to be fighters. Surprisingly, even though it's in their
> genotype, a Staffordshire Terrier-Pit Bull will not attack another dog
> or human unless provoked. In other words the dog has to be trained to
> fight. If they are not trained to attack; they won't.
More nonsense from Pitbull apologists. PB's not trained to be fighters
attack all the time.
One thing the OP from Oct. 07 left out is killing that pit. It's
proven itself to be dangerous, it dies. I wouldn't have left it alive
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:43 pm
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On 10/22/2007 11:52 AM plucked
Senior Frog's Magic Twanger and said:
> On Oct 21, 11:59 am, Chris wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not a regular reader of this group, but I wanted to tell a
>> story. I was walking my dog this evening (on a leash), an Amerian
>> Eskimo standard 20lbs (9 kilos), when a loose Pit attacked. I quick
>> picked up my dog and the pit left, I put him back down and it ran back
>> and I tried to get my dog back up but I couldn't, so I lifted the
>> leash straight up and his Collar broke. The Pit attacked and
>> immediately went for my dogs neck. The Pitt was completely on top of
>> my dog and put his mouth on his neck. I kicked the dog and beat him
>> with the leash and a passer by hit him with a metal trash can and he
>> got off and my dog got away, almost getting hit by a car in the chase.
>> Another second or 2 and my dog would have been dead. My dog is like
>> one of the familly. I love h im every bit as much as you love your
>> pit. I cried when I got home (I havn't cried in years) because I
>> thought he was hurt (he ran home (but wasn't running right) and got
>> there before I did, he was shaking on my porch bench). Loosing my dog
>> would be like loosing a familly member. He does appear to be ok now,
>> he was just really shaken up.
>>
>>
>
> I'm sorry you had to go through that. It is the fault of a poor
> owner. But now I am afraid I am going to have to play devil's
> advocate.
>
>
>> Pit Bulls need to be at minimum, baned from cities, probably suburbs
>> as well and just be country/farm dogs where the only people and
>> animals they can attack and kill is their owners and their owners
>> other pets.
>>
>
> If living in the country makes you safe from loose dangerous dogs,
> maybe you should move there yourself. Otherwise you will just
> encounter a loose dangerous dog in the city of a different breed once
> you ban pit bulls.
>
>
>> Pit Bull lovers stress how important it is to raise these
>> things in the right environment, but people just aren't doing that.
>> The reality is, people get the dogs, don't socialize them, mistreat
>> them, walk them off the leash etc, etc and most of the time, it's
>> someone else who pays the price, not the dog owner (sometimes it's the
>> owner or the owners familly, but most of the time it's a neighbor or
>> neighbors animal).
>>
>
> People do all of that with ANY breed of dog. Statistically, dog bites
> involve either a close friend or a member of the family the MAJORITY
> of the time. Now dog on dog attacks are another story, but it is one
> with absolutely no remotely accurate statistics to speak of, so trying
> to determine who suffers the most is pure conjecture.
>
>
>> Pit Bulls are too strong and too capable of
>> killing to be in a city where you have thousands of people in a square
>> mile, like philadelphia (where this happened). Had this been any
>> other dog I would have jumped on it and pulled it off my dog, but I
>> didn't want to loose an arm in the process.
>>
>
> Pit bulls bleed, just like any other dog. Proper knowledge of canine
> anatomy and a legally sized pocket knife with a single handed
> operation is more than enough to aid in dispatching a dog of any breed
> if the need arises. My dog is a part of my family, the canine part.
> If he is ever attacked(some have thought about it, but backed down
> when he challenged them, thankfully), I will more than gladly risk
> injury to myself to eliminate the threat to him. Yoda puts on a good
> show when he feels threatened by another large dog, and he could
> probably handle his own, but I wouldn't want him to. I'd rather the
> blood be on my hands, that way there is no shadow of doubt about my
> dog killing the other dog.
>
>
>> You can't understand how I feel until this happens to you or
>> someone you love. I always thought Pits were a bit much, but never
>> thought about it past that, but now that I am a victim (and damn near
>> the death of my dog) because of other people not raising their dog
>> right I can see it from a prospective that you can not.
>>
>
> Interesting, seeing that I had a cairn terrier killed by another dog
> (well, she was too old and had too many problems to warrant the
> anesthesia required to attempt to repair the damage to her jugular
> vein which had been grazed). I don't feel the same way you do
> though. It's the owner's fault, not the breed's.
>
>
>> Dogs living in the city/suburbs need to be relocated or killed. That
>> is the only realistic option. The city can not possibly go out and
>> inspect every Pit Bull home and be sure that it is being raised
>> properly and remove the ones that are not. And it's unfair to give
>> every one the benifit of the doubt and just wait until the dogs kills
>> someone or some pet before removing/killing.
>>
>
> Prove that a dog of any specific breed is guaranteed to be involved in
> an attack. You can't because the majority of them DO NOT, that is why
> they give them the benefit of the doubt.
>
>
>> I do believe that every
>> familly needs to be given the opportunity to relocate their pets, but
>> within a reasonable time, say 30-60 days. You can always move to the
>> country if your Pit means that much to you.
>>
>
> Have you ever tried to move in 30-60 days? Most likely your house
> will not sell if you have a house, and then you are stuck trying to
> get a second mortgage without a down payment, in the current housing
> market. It isn't fair to expect that of anyone, as it is not possible
> to pull it off unless you are extremely lucky.
>
>
>> But in the end, these
>> dogs are killers and need to be away from people and pets. People
>> should have the right to own a dog that might turn on them or their
>> children or other pets, but the general public shouldn't have to share
>> the risk.
>>
>
> If you feel it is so risky, move to the country where according to
> you, you are safe from loose dangerous dogs. Better yet, try and move
> there in the next 30-60 days.
>
> Nick
>
>
Pits were raised to be fighters. Surprisingly, even though it's in their
genotype, a Staffordshire Terrier-Pit Bull will not attack another dog
or human unless provoked. In other words the dog has to be trained to
fight. If they are not trained to attack; they won't.
My niece has a Stafffie, Samantha. They got her as a pup from a rescue
group. Sam has a little notch missing from one of her ears. The
thinking is she was used for bait in a fighting dog ring but was saved
before things progressed. My niece and her husband have done a wonderful
job, obedience training Sam. I've never met a more will mannered lovable
dog. Her only flaw, if you can call it that, is Sam thinks she's a lap
dog. It's really funny to watch as Sam's front end and rear end don't
fit on a lap. But, still she's gotta try. On Halloween, this "man and
dog killer" gets into a pumpkin costume and greets children at the door
while holding a basket of candy in her mouth. Jeff and Kathleen also
have a blind pet ferret. Sam likes the ferret, she will gently play
with it and mind it if it gets out of its cage when Jeff and Kathleen
are out. Sam doesn't mind it even when Cecil bites her on the nose.
Samantha knows her strength; she plays easy with children and old folks.
Chris don't tell me that I can't know how you feel. I lost a black
cocker mix to cancer of the bladder. It's not an easy way to go. Cancer
is a bigger killer of dogs and cats then aggressive dogs. I had a black
cat with zebra undercoat that was felled by 'saddle thrombosis' and she
died of a stroke. From what I hear, both you and your dog came out of
this incident unharmed. Sure it's scary and deeply unsettling. But,
you can't condemn an entire breed for the behavior of one bad dog. I
agree with the previous poster (PP) It's not the dog but the owner who
is at fault here.
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Since: Sep 27, 2005 Posts: 356
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:57 am
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>>> Pit Bulls need to be at minimum, baned from cities, probably suburbs
>>> as well and just be country/farm dogs where the only people and
>>> animals they can attack and kill is their owners and their owners
>>> other pets.
A couple of comments for you. I'm sure its already been said in other
posts....but.
I know quite a number of Pit Bulls. Not a one of them is dangerous. I far
more small dogs than big dogs that I would classify as dangerous (i.e.
likely to draw blood).
Even *if* you conclude that Pit Bulls need to be banned, how do you intend
to enforce the law. How do you identify a dog as a Pit Bull. The Ontario Law
calls a pit bull, any dog of Breed X, Y, Z or one substantially resembling
X, Y, Z.
On who should the onus be to prove a dog is a "Pit Bull". What about a dog
that is 1/8th of a 'pit breed'. What about a dog that looks like a pit bull,
but has no relation to them? I've had a number of people comment to me that
my (pure bred) lab looks like he's got some pit bull in him. If he was a
mixed breed, and pit bulls were banned, would I be in trouble? Would I have
to proove that he wasn't a pit bull? This seems counter to the principle
that most people believe underlies the legal system --- innocent until
proven guilty. Other than a pure bred dog, how *can* you proove that your
dog isn't a particular breed anyways?
If enacting a breed ban against a particular breed were likely to solve the
problem of dangerous dogs without too much collateral damage, then I'd be
all for it. The fact of the matter it won't. From
http://www.theblackpaper.org/ (interesting read if you have time)
"there [is] no region which could prove a reduction in the number, or
severity, of dog bites as the result of banning one or more dog breeds." >> Stay informed about: Attacked by Pit Bull - GET RID OF THEM! |
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Since: Mar 30, 2008 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:57 am
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On 3/30/2008 10:57 PM Dale Atkin plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger
and said:
>>>> Pit Bulls need to be at minimum, baned from cities, probably suburbs
>>>> as well and just be country/farm dogs where the only people and
>>>> animals they can attack and kill is their owners and their owners
>>>> other pets.
>>>>
>
> A couple of comments for you. I'm sure its already been said in other
> posts....but.
>
> I know quite a number of Pit Bulls. Not a one of them is dangerous. I far
> more small dogs than big dogs that I would classify as dangerous (i.e.
> likely to draw blood).
>
> Even *if* you conclude that Pit Bulls need to be banned, how do you intend
> to enforce the law. How do you identify a dog as a Pit Bull. The Ontario Law
> calls a pit bull, any dog of Breed X, Y, Z or one substantially resembling
> X, Y, Z.
> On who should the onus be to prove a dog is a "Pit Bull". What about a dog
> that is 1/8th of a 'pit breed'. What about a dog that looks like a pit bull,
> but has no relation to them? I've had a number of people comment to me that
> my (pure bred) lab looks like he's got some pit bull in him. If he was a
> mixed breed, and pit bulls were banned, would I be in trouble? Would I have
> to proove that he wasn't a pit bull? This seems counter to the principle
> that most people believe underlies the legal system --- innocent until
> proven guilty. Other than a pure bred dog, how *can* you proove that your
> dog isn't a particular breed anyways?
> If enacting a breed ban against a particular breed were likely to solve the
> problem of dangerous dogs without too much collateral damage, then I'd be
> all for it. The fact of the matter it won't. From
> http://www.theblackpaper.org/ (interesting read if you have time)
>
> "there [is] no region which could prove a reduction in the number, or
> severity, of dog bites as the result of banning one or more dog breeds."
>
>
>
Mayor Bloomberg issued a ban of Pit Bulls in New York City. As far as I
can tell the only way it's enforced is if A) somebody rats on an owner
and calls Animal Control, B) a landlord wants to gentrify an apartment
and turns in a tenant. If the tenant won't part with his dog, the
landlord is justified in evicting the tenant., C) the dog gets into
trouble or is accused of being aggressive, D) police break up a dog
fighting ring which is the main intent of the ban. Interestingly, since
the Pit Bull ban in NYC there has been a rise in cock fighting and
"fight clubs". So the perpetrators of Pit Bull fights have merely
substitute roosters and humans in their illegal fights. So it really
hasn't stopped illegal fighting. The win fall from this ban is now
unscrupulous land lords wishing to evict rent paying tenants have yet
another way to do it. Its made more work for the SPCA in New York.
Stray and abused Pit Bulls that come under their care can no longer be
put up for adoption when they meet temperament tests. They have to farm
these non-aggressive pit bulls out to rescue groups outside the city.
It taxes the resources of the SPCA and those of the rescue group.
For those of you rabid for breed extermination. The town next to me used
to run a "kill" shelter. Dogs had a week to be adopted then they were
"euthanized". They stopped this practice. I asked one of the animal
control officer why the change in policy. Here's an interesting fact I
learned. It takes more resources to humanely kill an animal than it
does to increase efforts for adoption. They've done some novel things
to turn their shelter around. For example a pit bull that is human
friendly but dog aggressive is placed in an environment, like a farm,
where there are no other dogs. A pack of Chihuahuas that are human
aggressive are placed on a free range chicken farm. where they will
guard the chickens from wolves and wild dogs. One vicious Chihuahua is
kind of a joke but six of them are scary dangerous.
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