Lab Protective Behavior?

BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

"Rherroniii" wrote in message

> I recently adopted a 2 year old black lab, named Reagan, from
the local animal
> shelter. Everything has gone very well (with the exception of a
little Kennel
> Cough). I was able to quickly train him to walk on a short
leash, and I was
> able to build on previous training of sit, shake, down, and
come. Reagan still
> wants to chase some things outside of the yard, however, with a
quick stop
> command he obeys. Altogether, I believe that our relationship
has progressed
> remarkably well and relatively quickly.
>
> All that being said, last night we were in the front yard
(without a leash),
> when the Pizza man came. It was dark and I was talking to the
delivery man
> before he came into the yard. However, when the delivery man
came within arms
> reach of me, Reagan let loose with a series of deep barks and
began posturing
> around the two of us. Reagan did not calm down until after I
escorted the guy
> back to his car.
>
> Obviously, we will be using a leash until this behavior has been
addressed and
> shaped. Reagan is not a barker; only at the animal shelter and
in a kennel at
> the vets office have I ever heard him bark. Nor is he
aggressive. Even with
> the confrontation last night, he did not bite or lung at the
terrified delivery
> man. Was this an attempt to protect me from the strange man he
did not know?
> Did the fact that it was dark outside have something to do with
it? Any
> thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
>
> Trey
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

You're full of crap. You MURDERED your own DEAD
DOG Summer for aggression on accHOWENT of you
couldn't STOP HURTING HER.

"Tee" wrote in message

> "Rherroniii" wrote in message
>
> >
> > Obviously, we will be using a leash until this behavior has
been addressed
> > and
> > shaped. Reagan is not a barker; only at the animal shelter
and in a
> > kennel at
> > the vets office have I ever heard him bark. Nor is he
aggressive. Even
> > with
> > the confrontation last night, he did not bite or lung at the
terrified
> > delivery
> > man. Was this an attempt to protect me from the strange man
he did not
> > know?
> > Did the fact that it was dark outside have something to do
with it? Any
> > thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
>
> Probably both. Something I've noticed in many rescue dogs is
unexpected,
> seemingly unprovoked, displays of aggressive behavior born of
uncertainty.
> In other words, my assumption of this kind of initial behavior
(in total
> absence of the dog actually biting), is that due to everything
in the dog's
> world being uncertain at the moment, he is not sure how to react
to new
> people so he falls back on his defense mechanism.
>
> With his prior home gone, having stayed in a shelter
environment, now moved
> into a new home, he's still trying to get his bearings. To put
a human spin
> on it, I think of it like "ok, I know this is my new person and
I like this
> person, I *don't* know this other person and whether or not I
should like
> him so I'm going to warn him off and play it safe."
>
> This behavior diminishes and also completely disappears in alot
dogs after
> they've settled in well. For some dogs it doesn't and its more
a set part
> of the dog's reaction response. You'll just have to figure out
which one it
> is as time goes by. I've known several Labs who were very
aggressive
> reacting to strangers, particularly delivery men, but then I've
known
> several who weren't.
>
> --
> Tara
>
>
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 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

EXXXCELLENT advice, tommy.

That's the same advice you gave tara o. aka tee
and kwbrown and laura arlov and Robert Crim
just pryor to them MURDERIN their own DEAD
DOGS on accHOWENT of you're INSANE.

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in
message
> On 22 Nov 2004 20:27:19 GMT, rherroniii.RemoveThis@aol.com (Rherroniii)
wrote:
>
> []
> >All that being said, last night we were in the front yard
(without a leash),
> >when the Pizza man came. It was dark and I was talking to the
delivery man
> >before he came into the yard. However, when the delivery man
came within arms
> >reach of me, Reagan let loose with a series of deep barks and
began posturing
> >around the two of us. Reagan did not calm down until after I
escorted the guy
> >back to his car.
> >
> >Obviously, we will be using a leash until this behavior has
been addressed and
> >shaped. Reagan is not a barker; only at the animal shelter and
in a kennel at
> >the vets office have I ever heard him bark. Nor is he
aggressive. Even with
> >the confrontation last night, he did not bite or lung at the
terrified delivery
> >man.
>
> >Was this an attempt to protect me from the strange man he did
not know?
>
> Maybe.
>
> >Did the fact that it was dark outside have something to do with
it?
>
> Maybe.
>
> It may even have been the pizza box.
>
> He may even have preferred another kind of pizza, e.g.,
deep-dish
> Sicilian style. :)
>
> >Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
>
> It could also be a reflection of the dog's current/past
insecurities.
> He's still settling in, right? So he's probably not sure yet
how
> things are going to shake out for him. He's been abandoned at
least
> once already...
>
> If you think you're up to it (and your dog has been otherwise
> trustworthy), you might want to get some of your friends to act
as
> foils, and have them (one at a time, over a week or so) try to
> replicate the pizza man's behavior, and see what happens. Try
to
> figure out if it's the pizza box, the dark, the cap he might
have
> worn, the distance between you and the "pizza man," being
startled, or
> something else altogether, that caused his reaction. Many Labs
can be
> "protective," but they normally stop at sounding the alarm,
e.g.,
> barking, maybe a little growl, etc. And some will even charge
and
> bite, but, thankfully, those are still relative rarities.
>
> Maybe start with friends your dog already knows (and is friendly
> with), and then progress to complete strangers (to the dog),
etc. If
> your dog is trained to "sit" and "come" already, this would be a
good
> way to "proof" his training, using your friends as DISTRACTIONS.
> E.g., as soon as the "pizza man" approaches, command your dog to
> "come," and then "sit." If he obeys, praise him and give him a
treat.
> If he doesn't, correct him immediately, and start all over
again,
> until he does obey. The latter would also mean that he's not
trained
> yet, and needs more work, using similar distractions. Just
because
> your dog will "sit" for you in the house, with no one else
around,
> doesn't mean that he's trained yet. Until he reliably "sits,"
> "comes," etc., at all times, no matter the distraction, he's not
> really trained yet.
>
> However, if you don't feel up to the above (and can't really
figure
> out the scenario I tried to describe above), you might just want
to
> consult with a local trainer/behaviorist -- before this
"problem"
> escalates.
>
> Good luck, Trey, and thanks for rescuing Reagan!
>
> --
>
> Handsome Jack Morrison
> *gently remove the detonator to reply by e-mail
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

Thanks to those that responded with sincerity. I plan on working more
distractions and "strangers" into the training environment as Reagan settles in
more. The thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Trey
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

HOWEDY rherroniii,

"Rherroniii" wrote in message

>
> I recently adopted a 2 year old black lab, named Reagan,

"Adopted?" You mean you bought a problem dog.

> from the local animal shelter.

Yeah. We've got a lotta rescue angels here abHOWETS.

> Everything has gone very well

All EXXXCEPT for the dog who got thrown
HOWETA his HOWES on accHOWENT of
the same problems you got.

> (with the exception of a little Kennel Cough).

KC is nuthing MOORE than the "common
cold" to dogs. It's EVERYWHERE. In fact,
to call it KENNEL cough is a misnomer
and a disservice to kennel proprietors.

FORGET abHOWET it.

> I was able to quickly train him to walk on a short leash,

So long as he's not pullin and you're not
jerking him, the length of the lead is irrelevent.

> and I was able to build on previous training of sit,
> shake, down, and come. Reagan still wants to
> chase some things outside of the yard, however,

You could break that in a couple instances
using effective non physical conditioning.

> with a quick stop command he obeys.

Oh. THAT'S gonna make him MOORE aggressive.
It's a TACTIC we use in PROTECTION trainin. The
dog get's worked up and we STOP HIM and take
him away. NEXT TIME he's MOORE aggressive.
Each time we STOP HIM and take him away or
send the aggitator HOWETA sight, the dog becomes
MOORE AGGRESSIVE.

> Altogether, I believe that our relationship has
> progressed remarkably well and relatively quickly.

That so?

> All that being said, last night we were in the front
> yard (without a leash), when the Pizza man came.

Dogs LOVE pizza. leah MURDERED her DEAD
DOG Buck on accHOWENT of she couldn't stop
feedin him pizza and french fries to supplement
his LASIX for his congestive heart failure diet.

Then when he needed to be WALKED every two
HOWERS, SHE MURDERED HIM on accHOWENT
of she needed her beauty rest, seein as she was
UNEMPLOYED and busy lookin for work.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

AND THEN SHE CHANGED HER MIND just
a moment AFTER her vet MURDERED him.

He'd still be alive today no DHOWET, if leah
DIDN'T LOVE HIM ENOUGH to "DO THE
RIGHT THING."

> It was dark and I was talking to the delivery man
> before he came into the yard. However, when the
> delivery man came within arms reach of me, Reagan
> let loose with a series of deep barks

You shoulda PRAISED HIM for DOIN his JOB.

AIN'T HE?

> and began posturing around the two of us.

Had you PRAISED HIM he'd of said "NHOWE WHOAT???"

And you coulda told him "it's FRIENDS and
he's got PIZZA for us!" and he'd be bringin
him his favorite bone as a GRATUITY.

> Reagan did not calm down

RIGHT. On accHOWENT of YOU DIDN'T LISTEN
TO HIM when he told you to BEWARE of the
friendly stranger, JUST LIKE HOWE you'd teach
your kids to respond when a stranger approaches.

> until after I escorted the guy back to his car.

THAT would LOOK to your dog as though you
THREW HIM HOWET based on his barkin.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO TO TRAIN ATTACK DOGS!

We CAPTURE the aggitator and secure him
while the dog STANDS GUARD.

> Obviously, we will be using a leash
> until this behavior has been addressed

Good point. When you restrict the dog on
leash their anxiHOWESNESS INCREASES.
It's CALLED positive THUGmotaxis, or the
OPPOSITION REFLEX.

Often, if we continue to restrain the dog
when he's excited he'll flash back at and
bite his handler HOWETA RAGE and
FRUSTRATION.

That's HOWE COME we always do a MAKE UP
EXXXERCISE to CALM the dog so he's SAFE
after we've finished the protection lesson. There's
a SPECIFIC routine The Amazing Puppy Wizard
teaches. You'll find it under "McProtection" trainin,
aka "Spike 'N Squirt Method".

> and shaped.

Shaped? The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
been professionally trainin dogs for over
forty years and has NEVER used the term
SHAPED in the dog business.

> Reagan is not a barker;

You sez you JUST GOT HIM. The EXXXCESSIVE
barking will come with familiarity with his TERRORTORY
and CONDITIONING.

> only at the animal shelter and in a kennel at
> the vets office have I ever heard him bark.

That was probably crate anxiHOWESNESS.
You can EXXXTINGUISH THAT in a couple
moments, or not even have it happen, if you
know HOWE to pupperly handle and train
your dog.

> Nor is he aggressive.

THAT TOO, comes with time.

> Even with the confrontation last night,

That wasn't bad.

> he did not bite or lung at the terrified delivery man.

Right. You coulda handled it better, HOWEver.
LUCKY THING you posted here abHOWETS.
Most of HOWER dog lovers got the same problems.

> Was this an attempt to protect me from the
> strange man he did not know?

The EXXXPERTS here don't know NUTHIN
abHOWET protection trainin so they can't
answer THAT.

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR unless of curse,
it's pupperly trained...

ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

The dog was alerting you and you failed to
ACKNOWLEDGE HIM. THAT'S HOWE COME
he was circling like a vulture and scared the man.

All you had to do was say "GOOD BOY!" and
he'd of KNOWN you was WIZE to what's goin
DHOWEN. Then he'd BELIEVE you when you
sez "It's FRIENDS! And and he's WORKIN for
me. And he got PIZZA! Let's pay the man an
say THANK YOU!"

And he'd of been retrieving the man his best
bone on accHOWENT of DOGS LOVE PIZZA.

Ask leah's DEAD DOG Buck.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> Did the fact that it was dark outside
> have something to do with it?

Most likely it was the FENCE that did it,
if you got a fence. S-HOWENDS like you
got a fence by HOWE you sez he stood
there grumblin while you escorted your
guest to his car and he wasn't on leash.

> Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

You can train or break ANY behavior in moments
withHOWET pain fear force bribery intimidation or
avoidance, IF you know HOWE.

OtherWIZE, you could be in for a LOT OF HARD WORK.

> Trey

Here's a CASE HISSSTORY, just WON of DOZENS
of IDENTICALLY SIMILAR EXXXAMPLES:

"Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level
And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call
Themselves Trainers," Kay Pierce, Trainer, Thirty
Years Experience.


----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

> Hi Jerry,
> Send the post to whom ever you wish to. Believe
> me I will keep you updated. I got to tell you His
> amazing progress almost makes me cry.
> Kay Pierce

====================

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

> Jerry,
> I started Hunter on his training using your manual
> and training method. What a marked difference in
> just a few hours. I
>
> had him in my van and just using the sound with
> his remote trainer and telling him he's a good dog
> when he started looking like he was going to bark
> at a car worked great.
>
> He only barked 2 or 3 times. Then I took him to a
> spot that we had used years ago to train, Jerry I
> have hope that I can have my happy dog back
> soon. And not this tense unhappy creature I live
> with now.
>
> He was so happy today. I am looking forward to
> getting the machine so that he can stay that way.
> Thank you,
>
> Kay Pierce

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From:
To:
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Making Progress

> Hello Jerry,
> Hunter and I started working the recall and family
> pack exercise today. On leash and in the house
> he has a perfect recall.
>
> And I think he really started to relax and enjoy
> himself I swear he was laughing.
>
> I had taught him to go to the heel position when he
> comes to me years ago. And over the past few months
> I have had to tell him to go there. Today he flew
> into the heel position each and every time without
> me saying a word to him about it.
>
> He has never bounced like that before.
>
> I trained him using conventional methods with a
> choker and pinch collar. Over the past few days we
> have been using his regular collar. I can tell that
> he enjoys it more.
>
> As I mentioned before I am a dog trainer and when I
> trained my latest dog I used all positive
> reinforcements techniques. When I trained for that I
> had been amazed at the results. Your method takes
> positive training to the next level and should
> really be used by all trainers who call themselves
> trainers.
>
> My Hunter is concentrating on me and not on the
> treat he thinks he wants. My other dog wants treats
> before she'll do anything.
>
> As soon as I get Hunter straightened out she's next.
>
> Thank you so much,
>
> Kay Pierce

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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc: ; ;
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Head Hunter

> Dear Jerry,
> Just thought I would write to let you know how
> well Hunter is doing. He had been trained using
> the conventional methods for obedience. He had
> gotten used to a choker and a pinch collar.
>
> Alot of pain and a lot of jerking around. I had
> also tried using positive reinforcement methods that
> I had been trained in. He was so busy looking for
> the treat that he didn't really want to work.
>
> So I went back to using the pinch collar on him
> and also a gentle leader when we were in public.
> Slowly by degrees his behavior got worse and
> he did deserve his reputation as a vicious dog.
>
>The vet had recommended that he be put down.
>
> I was in a panic when I found your web site.
>
> Thanks! He is now the happy dog that I first
> started out with 5 years ago. I am a professional
> trainer and it was distressing to me that I could
> not help my own dog. I had been told that some dogs
> don't respond to any kind of training and that a
> vicious dog can never be trusted again.
>
> I disagree!
>
> Hunter is a sight hound and now I can take him
> with me and he doesn't chase cars as much
> anymore which is one of his main problems.
> We are working on the dog aggression thing.
> And I am confident that will be successful too.
> I also have your BIOSOUND machine and that
> too is working good. I know of several rescue
> groups that would benefit from it.
>
> This is rather long I know but it comes from the
> heart. My Head Hunter Green and I have together
> along time and have been through so much together.
>
> Thank you for helping me save his life.
>
> Kay Pierce

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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Jerry the jerk howe

> Kay if you only knew what a jerk howe is it's either
> his way or your wrong no matter what training method
> you use. In a post re: adopting a shelter dog he
> stated "fu*k Buster" if you want I can refer you to
> the post.
>
> He's nothing but a blowhard and if he was closer I
> would pay him a visit. He used your post from July
> in his rebuttal
>
> Bob Garrett


----- Original Message -----
From: BNTDOBES.TakeThisOut@aol.com
To: Caninesanctuary.TakeThisOut@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Jerry the jerk howe

I have to strongly disagree that Jerry is a jerk. I am
a dog trainer and I have been for almost 30 years. I
believe strongly in positive reinforcement. My
youngest was trained using treats and praise.

My oldest how ever was not trained that way I am
ashamed to say. The result a very dangerous dog. He
has problems with barrier and dominance aggression. A
year ago he put a hole in my leg that took weeks to
heal.

When the vet and all of my friends advocated putting
him down I found Jerry's website. I was looking for a
natural way to calm my dog and train him all over
again as well.

You say Jerry is a jerk well I have talked to him on
the phone and consulted him about his training
methods. I really grilled him before I even considered
using his methods.

He loves dogs. Using his methods my Head Hunter is
now a very sweet dog. I get kisses instead of growls.
When he growls or even looks like he is going to bark
I tell him what a good dog he is and right away he
shuts up, looks at me like I'm nuts. But doesn't try
to eat anyone.

I am happy to say that the vet thinks I have him on
major drugs. I don't! I still use a muzzle on him when
I have to take him to iffy places. But hey, I know he
is now a sugar. And the most important thing he is
happy again.

It's a free country and you are entitled to your
opinion. I have mine.

Sincerely
Kay

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----- Original Message -----
From: BNTDOBES.TakeThisOut@aol.com
To: jhowe2.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who
advocated putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I
went over there to help her cut his nails. She started
yelling at him for growling at me. I told her to tell
him what a good boy he is instead. Lo and behold he
stopped growling and I could do his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull
method and my other dog was trained with treats.
Hunter has gotten his enthusiasm back for his training
and I couldn't be more pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the
kids through the fence. I can now take him in the car
with me again without him trying to chase cars through
the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog
training is Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the
first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and
by my side where he belongs.

Thank you so much.
Kay

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BNTDOBES.TakeThisOut@aol.com
> To: jhowe2.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: Update
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Just an update to let you know how things are going.
> Hunter is doing really great thanks to you and your
> training manual.
>
> I cancelled the appointment with the new vet to get
> him re-evaluated for aggression. all weekend long I
> had kids run by the fence to try and make him bark.
>
> He didn't!
>
> Tonight we are going to PetsMart to work on his
> dog aggression but even that is going good for him.
> I have less and less of a problem with him in my
> vehicle. He doesn't try so hard to protect
> it from the four wheeled monsters that go by.
>
> I think soon I'll be able to leave his window open
> when we go down the road and he won't try to jump
> out at the cars that go by.
>
> I have shared the manual with several dog owners
> that I know and even a group of dog trainers.
>
> Thank you again. .
> Kay

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Howe"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Update

> Have your vet call me if he's interested in
> behavior. XXX/OOO. Jerry.
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

HOWEDY lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy
soronson aka joey finnochiario (moderator
of HOWER HIV forum) aka jackass morison,
you anonymHOWES lying dog abusing punk
thug coward and mental case,

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in
message
> On 22 Nov 2004 20:27:19 GMT, rherroniii.DeleteThis@aol.com (Rherroniii)
wrote:
>
> []
> >All that being said,

You want MOORE you freakin imbecile?

You're a latent homosexual homophobe.
You're OTHER alias is joey finnochiario,
MODERATOR of the HIV forums. Your
INTENT is to HURT and MURDER QUEERS
by CONvincing them that HIV is a SCAM
by the drug companies to RIP OFF UNCLE
SAM for RESEARCH FUNDS at their expense
and that HIV is NOT CONtagiHOWES and
UNPROTECTED SEX is SAFE.

<snip aggression>

> > Was this an attempt to protect me from
> > the strange man he did not know?

ALL AGGERSSION IS FEAR.

> Maybe.

Maybe NUTHIN. And that ain't ALL.

ALL aggression is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

> > Did the fact that it was dark outside have
> > something to do with it?

You gonna blame mishandling on the dark?
Perhaps you should ask scotty if he thinks
maybe the dog was SPOOKED by GHOSTS
like his dog was?

> Maybe.

Maybe NUTHIN.

Aggression can be EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply PRAISING
the dog when he's AFRAID.

LIKE THIS:



HOWEDY Brandy,

"Brandy Kurtz" wrote in message

> KraftyKurtzs.DeleteThis@wmconnect.com (Brandy Kurtz) wrote in message
...
>
> > Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male
>
> Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info,
> so I haven't actually started to train yet.
>
> Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey
> was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see
> who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger,
> Good Boy. Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical
> look, and came and sat beside my feet! OMG, I could
> not believe it!
>
> I was totally floored, as this has been his
> behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
> and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.

> Brandy

And THIS:


"Estel J. Hines" wrote in message

>
> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
> it went something like this with our 11 month old
> puppy "Yoshi"
>
> Yoshi: Bark, bark,
>
> us: HUSH Youshi
>
> Yoshi Bark, bark......................
>
> us: Hush Youshi
>
> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................i
> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
>
> We decided to try the Jerry method
>
> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK
>
> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
>
> Yoshi Bark, Bark
> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them
>
> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that
>
> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
> can praise him, to deal with things like this
>
> Thanks Jerry
>
> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
> "Yoshi", whom we love very much.
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Estel J. Hines

==============

> It may even have been the pizza box.

You don't think the dog EVER seen a pizza?
Maybe he was SCARED by THUNDER in the
distance?

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I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

And THIS:

"Dan Moore"

wrote in message

...
>
> Tracy,
>
> What worked for me, in just one storm,
> was to praise the dog after each clap
> of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
>
> This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
>
> The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
> all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.
>
> There was more thunder just the other day, and same
> thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
> trying to hide at all, it was that simple.
>
> I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
> to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
> abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
>
> Wonderfully.
>
> Praise.
>
> It's that simple.
>
> Juanita

=============

> He may even have preferred another kind of
> pizza, e.g., deep-dish Sicilian style. :)

Well then, grHOWELIN at the PIZZA DELIVERY
man would be CONtraWIZE, wouldn't it, tommy.

Dogs are SCAVENGERS, tommy. Dogs STEAL
scraps and RUN to HIDE to eat them with their
back to the wall in a heightened state of alert.

Dogs don't ORDER PIZZA, tommy. If someWON
is OFFERIN a FEARFUL dog FOOD it OFTEN
makes them POSSESSIVE AGGRESSIVE and
causes them to ATTACK the person offering the
BRIBE as some of your pals here have learned
the HARD way when their dogs tried to attack
their guests whom they've given TREATS to
BRIBE friendship and TRUST or like your pal
matty who got bit trying to bribe a toy HOWETA
a dog's MHOWETH and caused IT to swallow
the toy the bag of treats and matty's hand.

> >Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!

> It could also be a reflection of the dog's
> current/past insecurities.

That so, tommy? You think the dog should
lay on the C-HOWECH for a while an talk?
Perhaps he should consult Sonya Fitzpatrick
for the dog's emotional well bein, eh tommy?

You never did say what's it gonna be, white
or pearly, FLHOWERS or BHOWE ties...,
Churchill or Parker.

Did you get your fabric over to liea for the quilt?

> He's still settling in, right?

S-HOWENDS like he's SETTLED just fine, tommy.
The dog is PROTECTING his HOWES, just like
HOWE he's SUPPOSED TO.

Ain't he.

> So he's probably not sure yet how
> things are going to shake out for him.

You think he should attend CONSELLIN?

> He's been abandoned at least once already...

You think the dog thought the PIZZA MAN was
the DOG OFFICER comin to take IT back to the
P-HOWEND, tommy?

You're INSANE.

> If you think you're up to it (and your
> dog has been otherwise trustworthy),

You mean other than attackin ONLY pizza men, tommy?

> you might want to get some of your friends to act as
> foils, and have them (one at a time, over a week or so)
> try to replicate the pizza man's behavior,

They could dress up in that little pizza man
HOWEtfit with the tall funky hat an spinnin
the DHOWE in the air, eh tommy?

They could cook up some D'Giorno in the micro
wave and have the STOOGE carry it in for the dog.
What kind did you say you thought he likes, tommy?

> and see what happens.

He's gonna share his bunk with the pizza man
after abHOWET a week of STOOGES dressin
up like the pizza man and feedin him.

> Try to figure out if it's the pizza box, the dark,
> the cap he might have worn, the distance
> between you and the "pizza man," being
> startled, or something else altogether,

You mean instead of just EXXXTINGUISHING
or putting the behavior ON COMMAND, tommy?
What a OPPORTUNITY to turn POISON into
MEDECINE!

That's BRILLIANT TOMMY!

You're a GENIUS!

We'll TRY to figger HOWET what SCARES
the dog an we'll USE IT to TEACH him HOWE
to PROTECT the HOWES!

> that caused his reaction.

The dog was DOIN what dogs DO, tommy.
His "REACTION" was NORMAL, tommy.
The dog DIDN'T STOP REACTING on
accHOWENT of the other DUMMY didn't
PRAISE HIS DOG when IT WAS SCARED,
tommy.

THAT'S MISHANDLING.

> Many Labs can be "protective,"

You mean AFRAID and UNPREDICTABLE.

> but they normally stop at sounding the
> alarm, e.g., barking, maybe a little growl, etc.

Dogs do not PROTECT their HOWESES if
they've been ABUSED, tommy. They protect
themselves... THAT'S HOWE COME they
"normally stop S-HOWENDING the alarm"
when they know THEY ain't the TARGET.

> And some will even charge and bite,

And you MURDER THEM on accHOWENT
of you HURT and INTIMIDATE dogs to train
them.

> but, thankfully, those are still relative rarities.

Yeah. AbHOWET 5%. MINIMUM.

CONSISTENTLY.

From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression -
Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!

Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked
along with calling him-came the first time
every time. Not even a sound out of him.

Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting.

The word come has no affect on him just
the phrase- -Sunshine come goodboy.


Subject: Re: Lab/Rot 11 Months (TEMPER PROBLEMS)
Date: 2004-05-21 19:22:05 PST

> "Zack Pellers"
> wrote in message
> dlinge1.DeleteThis@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in
> 697700b8.0405202039.5c7374b9.DeleteThis@posting.google.com:
>
> Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.
>
> Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com
>
> You can start by downloading the free training
> manual available on the site above. I used it on
> my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.
>
> When I first brought him home from rescue, he
> was similar to the way you decribed your dog.
> After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
> was cured within 72 hours.
>
> -Jack

"Leprechaun" wrote in message


> >Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
>
> Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
> I took a rescued three year old beagle that
> had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
> even recognize or respond to its name to
> Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
> get real) and in just over one hour of working
> with the dog, he was coming on command
> (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
> walking with us on a loose lead.
>
> His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
> command and pack exercise WORK!
>
> > and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
>
> Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
>
> You don't have to like him. You don't have
> to agree with his methods, but as far as I
> am concerned, I've never seen any other
> training approach that was as fast and easy.
>
> <<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
>
> Ron Flanagan
> Orlando, Florida

-----------------------

> Maybe start with friends your dog already
> knows (and is friendly with), and then
> progress to complete strangers (to the dog),
> etc.

We just been through this, for five years, tommy.

It's OVER. You're full of crap.

> If your dog is trained to "sit" and "come" already,

He SEZ the dog's been DOIN that.

> this would be a good way to "proof" his training,

Very interesting, tommy. You're gonna make
the dog sit and then cause IT to BREAK the
"COMMAND" and then HURT the dog for
breaking the command.

THAT'S PROOFIN.

You can't PROOF a COMMAND with distractions
UNTIL you've TRAINED the dog WITH DISTRACTIONS.

Since the visitor IS the DISTRACTION that you're
TRAININ the dog to SIT THROUGH, you CANNOT
PROOF IT until the dog has LEARNED to sit through
a DISTRACTION.

SO, you've jumped the gun again, tommy.

> using your friends as DISTRACTIONS.
> E.g., as soon as the "pizza man" approaches,
> command your dog to "come," and then "sit."
> If he obeys, praise him and give him a treat.

You CANNOT reward a behavior the dog
AIN'T THINKIN of. By the time the dog SITS
he's NO LONGER THINKING of SITTIN, he
MAY BE THINKIN of ATTACKIN the visitor.

Offering FOOD to a FEARFUL DOG often
MAKES them FOOD AGGRESSIVE and
CAUSES them to ATTACK.

REMEMBER tommy? You've SEEN PLENTY
CASE HISTORIES of the same same behavior.

> If he doesn't, correct him immediately,

You mean HURT the dog, tommy.

> and start all over again,

No. We've been through all that, tommy.
You CANNOT HURT a DUMB ANIMAL
to TRAIN IT to BE FRIENDS.

> until he does obey.

You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE, tommy.

> The latter would also mean that he's not trained yet,

So HOWE do you CORRECT a dog PRYOR
to TRAININ IT, and RE TRAINING IT WITH
DISTRACTIONS PRYOR to "PROOFIN" with
"CORRECTIONS," tommy?

You can't have it BOTH ways noMOORE, tommy.
Not like HOWE you do with your SELECTIVELY
BRED dogs that NEED to be CHOKED and SHOCKED
to do the most natural thing in the Whole Wild World
for a RETRIEVER DOG to do... HUNT BIRDIES.

> and needs more work, using similar distractions.

Perhaps they should send HOWET for the Chinks?
You think Labradorable dogs LOVE Egg Foo Young
or do you think they prefer Some Young Guy like
your seven sissy sons, tommy?

> Just because your dog will "sit" for you in the house,
> with no one else around, doesn't mean that he's
> trained yet.

RIGHT. You gotta TRAIN him WITH distractions
in several different environments PRYOR to
PROOFIN, AIN'T THAT CORRECT, tommy.

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

YOU STILL AIN'T GETTIN IT BOTH WAYS
UNLESS The Amazing Puppy Wizard is
GIVIN IT to you BOTH WAYS, tommy.

> Until he reliably "sits," "comes," etc., at all times,
> no matter the distraction, he's not really trained yet.

SO YOU CAN'T PROOF HIM TILL THEN.

AND YOU CAN'T BREAK THE AGGRESSION
TILL THEN OR YOU'D BE HURTING THE DOG
FOR SUMPTHIN HE AIN'T BEEN TAUGHT.

But that's JUST ACCORDIN to YOUR OWN WORDS.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

YOU'RE A FRAUD A LIAR A DOG ABUSER
A COWARD and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASE.

> However, if you don't feel up to the above

You mean trainin the dog to sit through distracions?
Only takes a HOWER at most, tommy.

>(and can't really figure out the scenario

Yeah. You couln't find your arse with both
hands on accHOWENT of all the smoke.

> I tried to describe above),

What you DESCRIBED above is HOWE COME
kwbrown and laura arlov and tara o. aka tee and
Robert Crim MURDERED THEIR OWN DEAD
DOGS, thanks to your EXXXPERT advice, tommy.

REMEMBER NHOWE, tommy?

> you might just want to consult with a local
> trainer/behaviorist -- before this "problem"
> escalates.

BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

You MIGHT just wanna have your "BEHAVIORIST"
post RIGHT HERE to The Amazing Puppy Wizard.

> Good luck,

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, lyingdogDUMMY. "LUCK
is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

> Trey, and thanks for rescuing Reagan!

We've MISSED you thankin folks for RESCUIN dogs,
tommy. You should try to post regularly when you ain't
HUNTIN for The Amazing Puppy Wizard in your sock drawer.

> Handsome Jack Morrison
> *gently remove the detonator to reply by e-mail

Oh hey? Lookey here. Here's lyingdogDUMMY aka
tommy soronson aka joey finnochiario aka jack
morrison beatin a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to save ITS life:

But FIRST, a little good KOEHLER trainin:

Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking
Backslider.

"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

An indelible impression can sometimes be
made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long
duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute
intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."

"Housebreaking Problems:

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"

Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment.

Make certain he is equipped with a collar
and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.

When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.

Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.

It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.

When he's been spanked, take him outside.
Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding
and close observation, you will not have to do
much punishing.

Be consistent in your handling.

To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.

The same general techniques of housebreaking
apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the
house.

For the grown dog who was reliable in the house
and then backslides, the method of correction
differs somewhat.

In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.

The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation.

The fact that he once was reliable in the house is
proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it
leaves you no other course than to punish him
sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of
his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences.

If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and
punish him again for the same thing.

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.

It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.

"Handsome Jack Morrison"
wrote in
<message

> On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT, dogstar716.DeleteThis@aol.com
> (DogStar716)
wrote:
>
> >>>Never mind dogman :)
> >>
> >>You too? Some folks just never learn.
> >
> >Uh huh :)
>
> One of the signs of mental illness is to say "Uh
> huh" a lot.
>
> >>PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't
> >>on this list, he (or she) is NOT an approved
> >>Koehler trainer, no matter how loud you scream
> >>otherwise.
> >
> >May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be on
> >a list to use Koehlers methods or teach his
> >methods.
>
> Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you
> that not every trainer who uses a leash is a
> *Koehler* trainer.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but
> if she's hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about as
> far from a Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can
> possibly be.
>
> Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.
>
> I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
> adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.
>
> >>http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/patoflearn.html
> >Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware that
> >whoever wrote it knows nothing about PR based
> >training:
> >
> >"Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend
> >in Positive Reinforcement Only training systems"
> >
> >You cannot use PR only.
>
> Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and
> many other places as well) *claim* that they use
> nothing but R. You know, the PPers.
>
> And they do it quite loudly, too.
>
> Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as
> ignorant?
>
> Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.
>
> >And if you knew anything about PR BASED training,
> >you would realize that. It's not all cookies and
> >babytalk.
>
> There is no stronger supporter of R than Handsome
> Jack Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool
> in my bag, including R-, P, and P-, because I know
> that even R has its limits.
>
> You'd know that too, if you didn't have your head in
> the sand.
>
> > But that seems to be the battle cry of the
> > Koehler-ites.
>
> The Koehlerites have no battle cry.
>
> They have behaviorism on their side, and that's more
> than enough.
>
> >I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs a
> >proper leash correction as I do not rely on a leash
> >to control or teach my dog.
>
> That may or may not be suitable for your needs, but
> it's not suitable for the majority of dog owners,
> especially since the advent of leash laws.
>
> Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler
> training, Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in
> need of a leash.
>
> That you apparently don't know that, once again
> shows me just how ignorant of anything to do with
> Koehler you are.
>
> >My last two dogs have been trained offleash right
> >from the start, using rewards for what I like, and
> >nothing for what I don't like.
>
> Good for you, and if that level of training is good
> enough for you, fine. But it's not good enough for
> many of the rest of us.
>
> >Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.
>
> I really have no idea what you're saying anymore,
> because you apparently know so damn little about
> Koehler and behavioral principles in general that
> it's hard to have an informed discussion with you.
>
> PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to
> keep denying that those certain harsh methods are
> only for LAST RESORT situations, intended only to
> SAVE A DOG'S LIFE, even after I've repeatedly given
> you direct *quotes* from Koehler's book saying just
> that. It's like you don't even care how stupid
> people think you are, or how devious you are, etc.
> That can't help your cause any. You'd think that
> you'd at least want to *appear* to be honest, even
> if you're not. -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently
> remove the detonator to reply via e-mail


"Handsome Jack Morrison"
wrote in
<message

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
> wrote:
>
> >Good books huh?
>
> Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.
>
> >Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
> >tell you to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,
>
> There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
> (i.e., it *can* and *does* work in *some*
> situations). Unfortunately, most people either do it
> incorrectly, do it at the wrong time, etc.
>
> >or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard
> >enough if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within
> >5 minutes of his punishment?
>
> If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after
> careful evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get
> it over with quickly than it is to do it
> incrementally and half-heartedly, which usually only
> invites the need for even more discipline.
>
> >Maybe you liked when they recommend these beatings
> >for housebreaking accidents, chewing/destructive
> >behavior, stealing, trying to get on your bed
> >at night and dog on dog aggression.
>
> At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
> dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
> *not* constitute a "beating."
>
> I'm sorry if you don't agree.
>
> And each of those behavior "problems" needs to be
> looked at in its proper context.
>
> A quote from the Monks:
>
> "We repeat, these situations may merit physical
> discipline. Since no book can pretend to analyze
> every individual dog and situation, we feel
> obligated to emphasize from the outset that
> discipline is never an arbitrary training
> technique to be applied to each and every dog for
> all offenses. We do, however, believe that physical
> and verbal discipline can be an effective technique.
> The best policy if you experience any of the above
> problems is to consult a qualified trainer or
> veterinarian for evaluation of your individual
> situation....
>
> "If discipline is decided upon as a training
> technique, it should be the proper technique. We
> feel we have developed several methods that depend
> less on violent physical force than timing, a flair
> for drama, and the element of surprise.
> We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to
> map out
> these methods, rather than simply skip the topic
> because it is unpleasant. Dog owners want to know
> what to do."
>
> In other words, physical discipline is reserved for
> those serious, special occasions when other methods
> have failed.
>
> For example, they do not recommend using physical
> discipline for *routine* housebreaking chores --
> only on those rare occasions when an already
> reliably housebroken dog is (after careful
> evaluation) deemed to be soiling the house on
> purpose, backsliding, etc.
>
> I'll give you an actual example. Years ago, an
> adult dog was brought to me as an *incurable*
> house-soiler. It was either get the dog reliably
> housetrained or the dog was going on a one way trip
> to the pound. Being the kind, compassionate trainer
> that I am, I was prepared to do whatever it took to
> get this dog house-trained and save his life.
>
> After several weeks of more or less traditional
> training, and to poor result, I brought out the big
> guns -- physical and verbal discipline. Whenever the
> dog soiled the house (no, you don't even have to
> catch him in the act), I immediately (but very
> calmly) tossed a leash on his collar, dragged him to
> the scene of the crime, and (using a large
> chair as a prop) tethered him to the leg of the
> chair, with his nose about two inches away from the
> poop. After a couple of swats on the rump, some
> loud vocalizing, and a wait of about 20 minutes, I'd
> release the dog and then ignore him for a while. I
> had to repeat this process *three* times, I think --
> and the house-soiling miraculously stopped. The dog
> went home to enjoy a long and contented life with
> his original owners, and I got to feel good about
> myself.
>
> So, yes, the Monk's books are good ones. Even for
> novices.
>
> Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
>
> -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the
> detonator to reply via e-mail

ADIOS, chump.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

You mentioned "last night". Was it dark out when the Pizza guy came? My 18
week old lab X (SPCA rescue) is good with people and very calm in nature.
The other night, when it was dark, we had just returned from a walk and a
neighbor suddenly came around the side of our house (shortcut to walking
trail is via our back yard) My pup took one look and let out a huge yelp and
ran for the door, tail between the legs. The only other time he has done
this was also at night, when I startled him by stepping out from behind a
tree.

I know that a dog's eyesight is not the best and I think he was frightened
by an unidentifiable looming presence in a place he usually felt quite safe.

"Rherroniii" wrote in message

> I recently adopted a 2 year old black lab, named Reagan, from the local
animal
> shelter. Everything has gone very well (with the exception of a little
Kennel
> Cough). I was able to quickly train him to walk on a short leash, and I
was
> able to build on previous training of sit, shake, down, and come. Reagan
still
> wants to chase some things outside of the yard, however, with a quick stop
> command he obeys. Altogether, I believe that our relationship has
progressed
> remarkably well and relatively quickly.
>
> All that being said, last night we were in the front yard (without a
leash),
> when the Pizza man came. It was dark and I was talking to the delivery
man
> before he came into the yard. However, when the delivery man came within
arms
> reach of me, Reagan let loose with a series of deep barks and began
posturing
> around the two of us. Reagan did not calm down until after I escorted the
guy
> back to his car.
>
> Obviously, we will be using a leash until this behavior has been addressed
and
> shaped. Reagan is not a barker; only at the animal shelter and in a
kennel at
> the vets office have I ever heard him bark. Nor is he aggressive. Even
with
> the confrontation last night, he did not bite or lung at the terrified
delivery
> man. Was this an attempt to protect me from the strange man he did not
know?
> Did the fact that it was dark outside have something to do with it? Any
> thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.
>
> Trey
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior? 

"Pam" wrote in message

>
>
> Could you go into detail as to how you trained your dog to 'stand down'. I
> want to be able to let my dog know when it's okay to watch out for
> strangers and when it's okay for her to relax.

i taught my dog to "stand down" by standing next to him, looking at what he
was barking at, and saying, "thank you, good boy". at first, i'd have him
follow me to the kitchen for a treat. after a while, i stopped having to be
next to him or look at what he was so excited about. now i can usually just
say, "thank you", and he'll stop.

if his excitement is predatory, rather than protective. it's pretty hard to
get him to be quiet if he sees a rabbit in the yard. :-)

-kelly
 >> Stay informed about: Lab Protective Behavior?