HOWEDY laura,
"polara" wrote in message
> I love the way Angel the Airedale
> indicates that she would appreciate
> a taste when I am cooking:
She gets that same girlish look on her
face like when HOWE you want a spankin
treat?
> She tiptoes up on my left side
> and brushes her nose against my thigh
> as lightly as possible.
Nuthin dogs do is coincidental.
> Then she sits and waits.
Patience is a virtue. Like when you
gotta wait for your spankin treat.Like
till the kid falls asleep.
> If nothing good drops ensues within
> a few minutes (rare), she sighs and
> wanders away.
Same same. Sigh...
> I just find the whole process so
> utterly charming that she almost always
> gets a tidbit.
LikeWIZE, no DHOWET.
> How do your foorfeets finagle a treat out of you?
They don't, cause that would subordinate
the handler, wouldn't it. They can ask,
HOWEver, but not to beg cause that
would be slovenly.
> Laura and Angel in Oslo
HOWEDY laura,
"polara" wrote in message
>
> "Marie" wrote
>
> <snip>
>
> | It turns out that her main concern isn't bowling
> | alleys or bus yard offices, it is lawns and parks grass.
>
> Over here we're getting more warnings that
> raising kids in an overly clean environment
> seems to lead to more asthma/allergy.
INDEED.
> My breeder's grandkids
Your "ETHICKAL breeder" who sold you a
REPLACEMENT dog after you MURDERED
your own DEAD DOG Chewie CAUSE YOU
WOULDN'T STOP HURTIN and INTIMIDATING
HIM.
> Laura and Angel in Oslo.
HOWEDY laura,
"Laura" wrote in message
> Diana wrote:
diana is a dog abuser a liar and a mental case.
Like yourself.
> | > if other areas of his obedience are going well,
> | > use that to help you break this habit - if he's
> | > busy performing a command for you, he won't
> | > be busy barking for you.
Yeah. That'll provoke the dog to do it MOORE
cause it'll REWARD his attention gettin devices.
> Lee John Moore wrote:
> | I've tried this too, but have no success.
That's cause lee is a MOOREON.
> | He performs the command but continues to bark.
SEE??? Told ya so!
> Since he's a smart and obedient dog,
Yeah. Smart, obedient, Feisty, Humorous, Brave,
Curious And Playful. Full Of "Joie de Vivre,"
> perhaps you could give him a command
Like the DIE command, laura?
> that precludes barking?
Oh? You must mean the "NO BARK!" command.
Won't work on this Feisty, Humorous, Brave,
Curious And Playful. Full Of "Joie de Vivre, dog.
> Perhaps teach him to sit and hold an object for
> you - dumbbell, glove, rolled newspaper, ball -
Yeah. That'll make him very happy. He WANTS
attention, and that'd be payin him off.
> you could simply carry an item like this in your
> pocket when you go out.
RIGHT. That COULD work... till WON fine
day when IT don't have sumpthin to put in
ITS MHOWETH and then he'll GO NUTS.
> And then Sit! Hold! would produce the
> desired behaviour?
Yeah. Like it did for your DEAD DOG Chewie.
> Just a thought...
Yeah. That's HOWE COME you MUREDERED
your own DEAD DOG Chewie.
> Laura and Angel in Oslo
laura MURDERED her heart dog Chewie just like
HOWE your pal tara o. did her DEAD DOG Summer
as have many of HOWER DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS.
Here's HOWE COME laura KILLED her dog Chewie:
From: Laura Arlov (laura@wordfixers.no)
Subject: Re: Chewie bit my husband !
Date: 1999/01/20
Well, we're doing as you say Dogman,
and I'll keep you all posted.
------------------------------
> Laura in Oslo
You're quite the dog enthusiast, eh laura?
> The listener,
You didn't WANT to listen to The Puppy Wizard when
HE told you you couldn't PUNISH and INTIMIDATE
your dog or you'd make IT aggressive.
> the observer.
NHOWE you got a DEAD DOG HOWETA it.
> We do work were you sometimes have to observe people
Like laura, MURDERING her dog...
> and take notes.
INDEEDY!
> B. has amazing powers of observation and concentration.
RIGHT...
> Laura and Angel in Oslo
"Feisty, Humorous, Brave, Curious And
Playful. Full Of "Joie de Vivre," And DEAD.
Date: 2003-10-29 23:49:52 PST
HOWEDY People,
Here's HOWE COME laura arlov KILLED her "Feisty,
Humorous, Brave, Curious And Playful. Full Of "Joie
de Vivre," And DEAD DOG Chewie:
From: Dogman (dogman@i1.net)
Subject: Re: Dogman advocates dogs biting people
Date: 1999/04/25
While I was listening to the Miles Davis CD, "Kind Of
Blue," and drinking a little Booker's, on 24 Apr 1999
22:47:09 GMT, brokenseat.TakeThisOut@aol.com (Brokenseat) wrote:
> Was that a SERIOUS ENOUGH bite for you dogman,
> or was it insignificant? Why would you suggest getting
> a book or obediance, is there no bite SERIOUS enough
> for you?
Yes, there are, but this one was *caused* by the actions
of a very, very STUPID human being, someone much like
yourself.
And it only hapopened ONCE.
And there are many, many dogs out there today
living perfectly normal and honorable lives who,
upon having done to them what was done to
this dog ("Chewie"), would also bite.
I mean, how stupid can one person get?
Don't answer that yet, Broke, you're setting a new
record almost everyday.
Here's what the owner's husband did (and precisely
what caused the bite), just in case you forgot:
> (My husband was holding Chewie's head and looking
> him in the eye and yelling at him, and Chewie growled
> louder and louder and louder and then bit my husband.)
I wonder just how many dogs out there wouldn't at
least be tempted to bite some stupid idiot for doing
that to him?
I include below the entire post for viewers reading
pleasure, and so they can take everything I said in
its proper *context.*
PS: I'd be willing to wager a large amount of money
that this particular dog will never bite this guy again,
provided:
1.) The family gives this dog some OBEDIENCE training.
2.) The guy refrains from doing really STUPID things to the dog.
3.) The guy PARTICIPATES in the training.
4.) They have a professional ASSESS the dog.
Putting this dog down simply for doing the above is
UNCONSCIONABLE.
This dog needs to be assessed, in person, by a knowledgeable
trainer/behaviorist before any action is even considered.
>>>>Now yesterday morning, Chewie lost his temper with my
>>>>husband and bit him, hard. (Deep puncture, lots of blood,
>>>>docot visit, tetanus shot, antibiotics, the whole shooting
>>>>match)
>>>Dogman's words of wisdom:
>>> You need to get a book on recognizing animal
>>> behavior ***(I have some listed on my web site)***,
>>> and you need to get your husband (and children, if
>>> they're old enough) involved in the OBEDIENCE
>>> training of this dog.
>>> WRONG. You need to cull. Do not give that dog a
>>> second chance to bite someone and draw blood
>>> another time, like your childs face...
>>>Broke Egoman and his dangerous advice should be ignored.
Doofuses are always welcome to ignore my advice,
after all, that's why they remain doofuses, eh?
********************
Beginning of the actual post, before Broke selectively snipped:
Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest,
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:22:09 ?,
"Laura Arlov" says:
[...]
>We have an 18 month old male Airedale Terrier,
>Chewbacca (Chewie). He's entire -- and I might as well
>tell you right now it's not legal to neuter male dogs in
>Norway for anything other than medical reasons, so he'll
> probably be staying that way.
That's too bad, because neutering might help (of course,
it might not help, either).
FYI, 95% of stallions (horses) in America are neutered.
That's right, only 5% of horses are responsible for breeding.
Why?
Have you ever been on a ranch or farm where there
were a lot of stallions living together?
If you had, you'd understand why 95% of them get
their *tools* taken away at an early age!
The same thing goes for dogs to a great extent.
>Now yesterday morning, Chewie lost his temper with my
>husband and bit him, hard. (Deep puncture, lots of blood,
>docot visit, tetanus shot, antibiotics, the whole shooting match)
>
>I have no trouble seeing how this incident is a result
>of Chewie's age and hormones, and mistakes that we
>have made.
>
> He's our first dog. before we got him I read that Airedale
> males could be a pretty tough proposition, so I've been
> working actively with Chewie and settring limits for him
> all his life, and he respects me.
But he doesn't respect your hubbie, does he?
Otherwise this would never have happened.
You're right, Airedales are TOUGH dogs, just like
virtually any *terrier.*
>My son and husband mostly pet him and play with him.
That's part of your problem I think. Your husband has
fallen in the pecking order to an EQUAL. That is, your
dog sees your husband as an equal, perhaps even an
inferior, and that's what the growling, etc., were all about.
> Now that Chewie is trying to improve his position
> in our family flock by defying my husband, my husband
> is all of the sudden trying to put his foot down and discipline
> Chewie...
This putting-down-of-the-foot cannot take place quickly.
It will have to develop over time.
But the best way to accelerate it is to have your husband
start to take over the OBEDIENCE training of your dog,
and he needs a lot more of it, Laura.
No dog of mine would ever even think about growling
at me, much less ever bite me. Or any member of my
family, the dog's pack.
Because I've made them all realize, early on, that all
humans are higher in status to them.
And their OBEDIENCE training is *ongoing,* therefore
it's constantly reinforced.
Dogs ABHOR leadership vacuums!
> (My husband was holding Chewie's head and looking
> him in the eye and yelling at him, and Chewie growled
> louder and louder and louder and then bit my husband.)
You need to get a book on recognizing animal behavior
(I have some listed on my web site), and you need to get
your husband (and children, if they're old enough) involved
in the OBEDIENCE training of this dog.
Otherwise you're likely to have *much* more serious
problems down the road.
> So, we did exactly what the experts on this ng usually
> advise: we called a really good dog training organization
> (where Chewie and I did basic training) and they will be
> sending one or maybe two instructors to observe as all
> at home, help us to understand our dog, and help us with
> home routines and training to straighten this out.
This will really help, I'm sure. They'll want to observe
and understand your pack's "dynamics."
Then they can show you some things that will allow
your husband to assume a more dominant role in the
dog's pack.
> While we're waiting for our first appointment, we're
> supposed to write down our own impressions of Chewie's
> behavior both around the bite and otherwise. And it is clear
> that he feels he came out of the encounter "a bigger man."
You bet. That's why an ounce of PREVENTION is
always worth a pound of CURE.
Especially when it comes to reinforcement of canine behavior.
> Yesterday and today he has gone nuts in the backseat
> of the car when somebody walked by with a male dog...
> and when he pees, he lifts his leg so high he fell over
> twice today.
Yup. This dog needs some intensive OBEDIENCE
training, in my opinion.
But it usually takes an on-site OBSERVATION to
make an accurate assessment of your situation.
> I feel pretty badly about this...sad, I guess. He's a
> great little dog.
He's not so "little," eh?
> Feisty, humorous, brave, curious and playful. Full of
> "joie de vivre" Not outstandlingly intelligent, but shrewd.
> Charming, when he wants to be. I feel like he's really
> blotted his copy books seriously, and I sure see how a
> lot of the responsibility for this is ours.
You're got the right attitude, Laura. Almost all canine behavior
"problems" are created (and reinforced) by us humans.
>Stay tuned, and see how it goes as we try to straighten out this
>dog -- and, maybe more importantly, his owners!
I will, and I hope you will, indeed, let us know how this works
out!
Good luck!
--
Dogman
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